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Could Honda's exit from Formula One become a worrying trend? | Ted Kravitz

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With the news that Honda will be leaving Formula One breaking in the last week, Ted Kravitz takes a look at what effects this can have on the future of Formula One. Will Red Bull be able to find another team to supply them? And how will this effect the future of Max Verstappen?
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  1. Jamie Foster

    Jamie Foster

    9 dagen geleden

    Bring back v10s manual gears And bin all that kers crap it may make it slightly entertaining again. Simplyfy it.... Motor racing was so much more entertaining before technology took over Its utter crap now and not just f1

  2. Leebo88

    Leebo88

    9 dagen geleden

    Sports been dead since the Hybrid came in, no competition, a field full of b teams because there are no works engines to bring into the sport, why would anyone else come in with the current regulations

    • The KitOwl

      The KitOwl

      6 dagen geleden

      Looks like F1 is sticking with the Hybrid engine but increasing the use of Bio Fuel over time. Great for the environment but still too costly for other manufacturers to join F1.

  3. spaglemon

    spaglemon

    10 dagen geleden

    Honda don't half like the hockey cokey

  4. Richard Dale

    Richard Dale

    11 dagen geleden

    F1 is fucked. The worlds economies are going to be trashed with the covid overreaction. No cars are being sold, even Ferrari are going to struggle to justify the costs. With no fans. I can honestly see the end of F1. This massive overreaction to Covid must stop. Start by removing the muzzles.

  5. Gaz J

    Gaz J

    11 dagen geleden

    In 2022 ditch the turbos and battery crap, keep the V6 for expense sakes and supercharge them.... It'll bring an awesome noise back to the sport, and with the car changes as well it should not be like watching paint dry...

    • Jamie Foster

      Jamie Foster

      9 dagen geleden

      Agree its all too complicated now..... and the cars sound and look shite

  6. Gaz J

    Gaz J

    11 dagen geleden

    F1 is shite compared to Motogp... F1 lost it's magic years ago, the v6 turbos are shite as well.... I'd literally paint a wall and watch it dry than watch an F1 race.....

  7. Occasional Enthusiast Rob Jones

    Occasional Enthusiast Rob Jones

    11 dagen geleden

    Honda is moving to electric platforms faster than f1 broken management can run. Clearly immediate transformation to hydrogen fuel cells and sodium batteries will encourage and retain existing engine suppliers..There is the back drop of industry restructuring, corrosive socialist politics which many investers will not support.. No one wants to pay to see f1 to be forced to see a political circus and f1 cars dressed up as political Bill boards... What's next Biden putin chi and trump sponsored cars? F1 needs a big clear out to survive... Who is going to replace Jon Todd?

  8. Marc Goodman

    Marc Goodman

    11 dagen geleden

    It's like Sky Sports are not paying attention what is going on in the world... With 3 - 5 years Jet air travel for the average person will disappear... Where does Billion dollar motor racing fit in in that world? It doesn't... That is why Formula E was created....

  9. Tec Designs

    Tec Designs

    11 dagen geleden

    The engines need simplifying. They need to be made way less expensive. This would attract other engine manufacturers, maybe even smaller ones like cosworth. It's turning slowly into indycar with only a few suppliers. This is no good for the sport, its clearly mastered by Mercedes and the others are way behind. I just hope the sport survives till 2025 for the new engines...

  10. Nicholas Rigg

    Nicholas Rigg

    11 dagen geleden

    With mainstream cars moving inexorably toward full electric, Formula-E will become the most relevant race formula for the manufacturers. F1 can't wait until 2026 to decide engine technology direction

  11. Edward Byard

    Edward Byard

    11 dagen geleden

    Formula 1 has to go electric. There is simply no other way, unless you want a "heritage" series. Forget hydrogen, it's a joke. Hybrid is dead technology. Sorry Toto.

  12. Chris Gee

    Chris Gee

    11 dagen geleden

    Prost’s McLaren pictured was a TAG powered one, not a Honda powered one...

  13. Random Task

    Random Task

    11 dagen geleden

    We want entertainment! Go back to screaming V10 ICEs, with a commitment to a carbon capture arrangement that negates the fuel used during a race.

  14. Mark Sawyer

    Mark Sawyer

    12 dagen geleden

    Please please please go back to V8s at the minimum , no electricity, we got formula E for that. Straight forward engines that all manufactures could make. Otherwise we will end up just having Ferrari and Merc s when Renault pulls out. If sustainability has to play a part then run them on hydrogen. We need the roar back get rid of the useless V6 and make my ears bleed!!!!!!!! Please please please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🚗🚗🚗🚗

  15. Rafiki

    Rafiki

    12 dagen geleden

    "mercedes see max as the natural successor to Hamilton" Bottas: 👁️👁️

    • The KitOwl

      The KitOwl

      6 dagen geleden

      Toto said he won’t consider Max , so I don’t what Ted is on about.

  16. Jim West

    Jim West

    12 dagen geleden

    Obsessed with climate change which is all based on wild computer modelling. Big mistake. Red Bull will just buy Honda's intellectual property.

  17. Teebat316

    Teebat316

    12 dagen geleden

    It's a dying sport. Not only has mercs domination been very dull, but the sport and the manufacturers of high performance cars (and bikes) should have lobbied HARD against the ever increasing war on speed and driving as a fun pursuit. I've always had fast cars and bikes and watched motor sport. However the last few years has seen my passion dwindle. 99% of cars are dull in every way and the ones that aren't you cant drive fast like you used to because you'll end up banned or in prison, particularly in the UK and a large part of Europe.

  18. Tim L

    Tim L

    12 dagen geleden

    Just goes to show that f1 is a dying breed of motorsport with manufacturers moving toward electric road cars, they don't see f1 as a viable option anymore. Redbull will also be losing the aston martin partnership next season. But we do need more manufacturers in the sport that can competitively put the title fight to Mercedes. Perhaps BMW return? Toyota? Or to offer a more outside the box thinking, Peugeot, Audi/Volkswagen. Im glad Stefano Domenicali is taking over, hopefully being the sport back to its hey day

  19. lee plays bass

    lee plays bass

    12 dagen geleden

    Clip of Prost at 5 second is a TAG powered MP 4/3. Good attention to detail.

  20. RebornRockerVids

    RebornRockerVids

    12 dagen geleden

    Could the FIA themselves not buy the Honda Engine Development team from Honda and badge them as something neutral as a back up plan for if things get really bad in the near future? I haven't watched this video yet so apologies if this is suggested in the vid.

    • The KitOwl

      The KitOwl

      6 dagen geleden

      RB are looking at buying the IP from Honda & building the PU’s themselves. Check out their demands to stay in F1.

  21. Mini Lite71

    Mini Lite71

    12 dagen geleden

    Prost is winning in a Porsche powered McLaren in the starting clip !

  22. Mark Walker

    Mark Walker

    12 dagen geleden

    How does Formula E charge its 24 x car batteries before each race ? Anyone please.

    • gerald kelly

      gerald kelly

      12 dagen geleden

      With a GIANT extension lead

  23. Lee Johnston

    Lee Johnston

    12 dagen geleden

    This is 100% the sign of things to come. F1 as we know it will be no more come 2025

  24. Experience Your Story

    Experience Your Story

    12 dagen geleden

    normal.

  25. Gregs Mowing

    Gregs Mowing

    12 dagen geleden

    Seems daft having expensive engines in f1. thats why there aren't many engine suppliers. the v8's with kers that drivers deploy at their own will was great back in 2010 etc. Stefano should want a good loud engine being a Ferrari man. I'm sure he will make the right decisions.

  26. HWG 10IAR

    HWG 10IAR

    12 dagen geleden

    0:03 chequered flag guy is doing far too much

  27. C. T

    C. T

    12 dagen geleden

    Werent we told these engines would cut costs?? Lies and another money grab. They knew exactly it would cost far more as all "green tech" does , for little gain... A volcano in iceland might go off soon , that ONE volcano will spew out more "harmful gasses" than all humans could in a life time. And thats just ONE , and its earths natural way of working. BRING BACK THE V8sThe biggest scam ever pulled on mankind

    • HT 7

      HT 7

      12 dagen geleden

      Calm down, id just say standard v8 hybrids

  28. Fitzm12

    Fitzm12

    12 dagen geleden

    Ok

  29. h bethune

    h bethune

    12 dagen geleden

    There is no connection with F1 engines and 'normal' car engines so let us go back to the engines found in 'normal' cars again! Perhaps just allow one 'normal' source of hybrid!

  30. Floyds high heels

    Floyds high heels

    12 dagen geleden

    V10’s, refuelling, Bridgestones and Michelin’s, let’s bring it all back

    • MambaBoss

      MambaBoss

      11 dagen geleden

      That's hardly to be done, VW Group and Daimler AG already confirmed that they will not developed any other ICE in this decade though and I believe any othe car manufacturer will follow their decision, I think the rising of Tesla electric car really shaped automotive industry. And more Company trying to stay away carbon related event and thing, and that's will effected the sponsorship thing. So yeah, Electric maybe the future generations of motorsport, Its saddened me, but that the only way this sport will go.

  31. Henry Parker

    Henry Parker

    12 dagen geleden

    Will you provide an engine for Red Bull? "Um, no."

  32. S🅱️inatimus Prime

    S🅱️inatimus Prime

    12 dagen geleden

    Synthetic fuels and/or fuels that can be burned cleanly in our current combustion engines should be the goal. Any manufacturer that comes up with a technology that allows us to use all the cars currently on the road with a clean fuel will be hugely profitable

    • S🅱️inatimus Prime

      S🅱️inatimus Prime

      8 dagen geleden

      @bsrlbck2013 E85 isn't really going to cut it as the 'future' of fuels, it's definitely a step in the right direction but for F1 and big manufacture investment we need a technology that had the potential to be revolutionary. Everyone always goes on about F1 being the testbed for future tech that auto manufactures can bring to the consumer, as with the hybrid engines, ethanol fuel is a bit behind the curve

    • Usman Mohammad

      Usman Mohammad

      12 dagen geleden

      It will unfortunately take a long time for that to happen, 🅱️ut WE ARE LOOOOKING

  33. LMXT

    LMXT

    12 dagen geleden

    fOrMuLa E iS a JoKe. It WoN't LaSt 🙃

  34. john francis

    john francis

    12 dagen geleden

    Don't like red bull anyway hope they leave make ur own engine or don't be in f1

  35. Eamon Ahern

    Eamon Ahern

    12 dagen geleden

    Bring back V12s!

  36. Phodge99

    Phodge99

    12 dagen geleden

    They put themselves if a really tricky position you either go back to old engines and then have teams to go out due to it does not follow there brand or you carry on and hope for the best....

  37. Ginger Knight

    Ginger Knight

    12 dagen geleden

    I find myself feeling more sorry for Franz than Christian It's a "spirit of Minardi" thing.

    • Occasional Enthusiast Rob Jones

      Occasional Enthusiast Rob Jones

      11 dagen geleden

      Never feel sorry for a person earning 3 million a year

    • V8Hilux

      V8Hilux

      12 dagen geleden

      Don't forget Christian walked out on his pregnant wife for an ex pop star and had been cheating on her for some time before that but still decided to try for a kid. All the guy does is bitch & moan when he's not on the top. He needs to go back and watch some VT on his Vettel days when the shoe was on the other foot & he said it was up to the rest to catch up. Fk CH.

  38. paul mckinder

    paul mckinder

    12 dagen geleden

    Lets hope Honda stay away now make the engines cheaper and less complex and get more manufactures into f1 its a simple fix and we wont get this situation we should have more than 3 engines to choose from in f1

  39. WOBBZ

    WOBBZ

    12 dagen geleden

    Seems to be down to money as honda are still racing bikes and indy car

  40. Bumhead

    Bumhead

    12 dagen geleden

    Have to wet myself laughing at how all the petrolheads will be watching Scalextric next year and they will still shout down those 'conspiracy nuts'. The phonyvirus has been a cover for an agenda to change EVERYTHING, including all those sports you love. Empty football stadiums with dubbed-on cheering is hilarious to watch, whilst you listen to the fans whinging about how 'it's crap now.' After this will come virtual sports, with CGI football teams playing each other or computer-generated racing cars and cartoon drivers, though Lewis looks a cartoon at the best of times. Pat yourselves on the back as you lose your freedoms and your lives...

  41. Senty

    Senty

    12 dagen geleden

    @ted Pls tell Stefano to bring back v12/10 NA with hydrogen. Then watch Greta endorse F1 :)

  42. Cricket England

    Cricket England

    12 dagen geleden

    Simple answer YES... I mean if Red Bull have to go to a new manufacture because Mercedes, Renault or Ferrari won’t supply them then who ever they are they need to start designing it and getting the money together now in order to have it ready in two years... We all know Mercedes will never give them an engine FACT! so I think If Red Bull can’t agree a new engine by the end of the season from a Renault or Ferrari then I think Red Bull are fucked...

    • Tom Bardsley

      Tom Bardsley

      12 dagen geleden

      Cricket England no it is true . Under the current rules Renault would be obliged to supply red bull and alpha tauri with engines with them having the fewest customers unless red bull can convince Mercedes or Ferrari to provide a supply . Mercedes said no. So that leaves just Ferrari and given their performance atm, I can’t see red bull picking them so more than likely it will be Renault by default

    • Cricket England

      Cricket England

      12 dagen geleden

      And if that is the case that Renault get forces by the FIA I am sure they will charge Red Bull an arm and a leg to user their engine

    • Cricket England

      Cricket England

      12 dagen geleden

      @Tom Bardsley I don’t believe that’s true no one should be forced into doing anything

    • Tom Bardsley

      Tom Bardsley

      12 dagen geleden

      If both Ferrari and Mercedes say no then by the rules, Renault would be forced to supply them as they’ve got the lowest number of customer teams

  43. cat stevens

    cat stevens

    12 dagen geleden

    Ted your nuts, are Max’s prime years bring wasted? It’s a question which presumes he has an entitlement to win races and world championships. He doesn’t mate. He’s drive careful the car he chose to drive in the team he chose to drive for. They can’t supply him a winning car, tough. Hamilton worked hard for his chance took a gamble with an unknown and bingo he wins. He’s good enough to keep winning so who needs max? I believe if max hadn’t signed a money grabbing contract with red bull negotiated by dad he would be in a merc now and Botas would have lost his seat. But maybe he’ll get another chance I have my doubts but who knows. Many very good drivers never get a chance I’m sure they didn’t waste their prime years lol

  44. keith grant

    keith grant

    12 dagen geleden

    I know it sounds stupid but it's just not the same with the sound of the hybrids, I remember my first live race in 2001 and it just made the hair on the back of your neck stand up

  45. marcus darkwa

    marcus darkwa

    12 dagen geleden

    F1 is in a extremely delicate position here, the drop out of honda should not be played down, f1 needs to decide what it is, is it the height of sports entertainment? Is it the height of technology? What is its core aim ment to be, as efficient as these hybrid engines are, they have basicly zero relevance to actual road cars, the idea is great but if Honda have gone and the car sales continue to slump then Renault will go too and we are left with 2 manufacturers f1 could easily die if they don't change things quickly, I would love the Na engines back based on sound and cost, but it's a hard sell f1 is about the top of technology and going back to old engines after the sheer amount of investment put into hybrid engines would be a extrreamly hard sell to the manufacturers..... Worrying times for the sport I love.

    • James Hunter

      James Hunter

      10 dagen geleden

      Why would they bring back the old engines? That's the wrong direction. yeah it would reduce cost, but one of the main attractors of F1 for manufacturers is to be able to showcase their ability to make engines, to sell more cars. If the future is all electric, then why showcase how well you can make an ICE? Honda didn't leave because of cost, it left because F1 didn't match up with its goal of becoming carbon neutral. That's the reason they gave.

    • Richard Dale

      Richard Dale

      11 dagen geleden

      road car market is dead whatever engine they use due to the covid overreaction. I personally think F1 could still be regarded as the highest tech motorsport with NA engines. Just have the tech in other areas. Materials etc.

    • Mark Walker

      Mark Walker

      12 dagen geleden

      Superb comment.

    • Yeetus Delete

      Yeetus Delete

      12 dagen geleden

      the day the teams go from 10 to 9 is the day the sport is dying

  46. Chris M

    Chris M

    12 dagen geleden

    First off. F1 engines need more cylinders. A V6 is nothing special. Engine technology is engine technology. Cylinder count doesn't make much difference except for managing harmonics etc. The difference is the cars will sound much better which is what fans hate about current engine regs. 2nd off, If manufacturers want to push for certain technologies, they should be forced to sign up for a long duration. Being in a situation where one of the most important teams on the grid can't get an engine is ridiculous. Finally, I remember when the current rules for PUs was announced thinking, "how the hell are they going make a reliable motor generator that spins at the same RPM as a F1 spec turbo. The answer seems to be "they can't" Get rid of the MGU-H and give them more energy capacity from the driven wheels, even if this means mild electrification of the front wheels, the added traction would probably make the cars easier to run close together.

  47. BigPete

    BigPete

    12 dagen geleden

    Spending hundreds of millions on a tech that doesn't coincide with road car tech (electric) and doesn't provide great amazing exposure just doesn't make sense for a company. Board: "Why don't we spend that 300 million on making better road cars rather than looking like a second rate engine suppier?"

    • Joey C

      Joey C

      12 dagen geleden

      Dean Gibson it sounded like they are refocusing the people working on the F1 tech so they can carry on improving the designs but more road car based. It is a reasonable strategy since the team is motivated, understand what they are doing and have all the equipment for it. They arent stopping funding from how it was said. Being an engine manufacturer in F1 isnt the glory it used to be esp racing against only 3 other manufacturers. Look at the interest of Formula E by car manufacturers, it is crammed, close racing and mixed energy use and recovery strategies in the designs. Way more rewarding. Indycar is a good brand to be in, 2 engines for the grid, simpler so less expensive developments and plenty of customers paying, would imagine they are making money on that unlike F1.

    • Charlie

      Charlie

      12 dagen geleden

      Oddly enough the focus for Honda & many others isn't 'Electric', Alternative fuels & energy sources are where everyone including Honda is headed not 'electric'....that's something everyone is letting grow organically

    • Dean Gibson

      Dean Gibson

      12 dagen geleden

      The thing is that the whole ERS part of the engine is relevant to both hybrid and electric road cars. Honda are going for carbon neutrality, so they're going to stop funding the project that is on the cutting edge of ERS technology while continuing to compete in American Series that have no relevance to hybrid or electric.

  48. Chris M

    Chris M

    12 dagen geleden

    "Mercedes will see Max Verstappen as the natural successor to Lewis Hamilton." BASED ON WHAT!?

    • RuyLopezQB6

      RuyLopezQB6

      12 dagen geleden

      Based on the fact that he can outperform the car and is already a race winner. The junior drivers for Mercedes aren't going to be made the de facto team leader. You could argue they might try and get Ricciardo over Verstappen, but everyone else is either a little too inexperienced, a little too old, or just not fast enough (compared to these two). Sainz doesn't have F1 wins yet, Russell hasn't even been fighting for podiums yet.

    • The KitOwl

      The KitOwl

      12 dagen geleden

      Toto has said he won’t take Max & that Russel or Ocon are next in line for a Mercedes seat. Binotto said he won’t take Max either . He needs to hope RB come up with the goods.

  49. Hounslow Parks

    Hounslow Parks

    12 dagen geleden

    I can only see them going to bio-fuels in the future. It's a shame Honda won't be going on that journey.

    • The KitOwl

      The KitOwl

      6 dagen geleden

      There is a 20% increase in Bio fuel for 2022 & more for the future, However RBR are asking for the PU rules to be frozen in 2021 or they walk.

    • Hounslow Parks

      Hounslow Parks

      10 dagen geleden

      @bsrlbck2013 It does seem the logical step rather than EV

  50. John Onuoha

    John Onuoha

    12 dagen geleden

    The future is electric (formula e). Back to v8 or v10 is suicide for f1

  51. Mitchell Webb

    Mitchell Webb

    12 dagen geleden

    I suspect Mercedes see George Russell not Max Verstappen as the natural successor to LH

    • Phodge99

      Phodge99

      11 dagen geleden

      @Mikadozzinho I don't think they will unless both bottas and lewis have gone on their own free will.. after what both have done I cannot see maerc pushing either 1 of them out of the door

    • Mikadozzinho

      Mikadozzinho

      11 dagen geleden

      I agree with you but if they get the opportunity to sign Max, they’ll do it

    • Phodge99

      Phodge99

      12 dagen geleden

      Seems that way

  52. Peter Fowke

    Peter Fowke

    12 dagen geleden

    It interest that Honda being F1 and other cars teams way is it after 55 Years way do go all the time and not help with green way forward.

    • Chris M

      Chris M

      12 dagen geleden

      What?

  53. RuyLopezQB6

    RuyLopezQB6

    12 dagen geleden

    Maybe Toto needs to 'be great in communicating' his bullshit hot take to Honda Japan?

  54. Luke Waring

    Luke Waring

    12 dagen geleden

    Carbon neutral, fuel is the best step bio fuels natural alcohol job done , and bring that tech to the road..sustainable answer for all..

    • MambaBoss

      MambaBoss

      11 dagen geleden

      @The Night Nomad Well for Indycar their i read in autosport/the race that they promised to Indycar project till the end of this decade. And for Indycar project it's actually different institution, Honda North America have their own decisions even though still follow Japan HQ business guide lines.

    • Yeetus Delete

      Yeetus Delete

      12 dagen geleden

      @The Night Nomad they probably make more money in the other sports

    • John Robson

      John Robson

      12 dagen geleden

      Except you still end up with particulates and various nitrogen oxides....

    • The Night Nomad

      The Night Nomad

      12 dagen geleden

      I think their "carbon neutral" statement is a bit two faced since they're still competing in Indycar and bike racing.

  55. Goy'd down.

    Goy'd down.

    12 dagen geleden

    Just go to simpler engines. Make it fast and exciting and F1 will be fine.

    • Andrew Charlton

      Andrew Charlton

      12 dagen geleden

      @RuyLopezQB6 yeah that's true. But if you don't have tyre management then the fastest car just keeps pulling away. I suspect if they can solve the aero issues a lot of the other issues it's causing will show. Tyres etc will be something that can be looked at then

    • RuyLopezQB6

      RuyLopezQB6

      12 dagen geleden

      @Andrew Charlton Well, lap time wise, yeah it's fast. But they don't often push the car hard like they used to, because of managing tyres and fuel. The cars are long and heavy. They spend most of the race just managing, rather than pushing. So they need to look at all the regulations.

    • Andrew Charlton

      Andrew Charlton

      12 dagen geleden

      It is fast, its the fastest its ever been. That's not the problem. Excitement for sure, and the ability to follow closely.

    • RuyLopezQB6

      RuyLopezQB6

      12 dagen geleden

      Exactly what Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari already blocked, because of their desire to through good money after bad

    • regular account

      regular account

      12 dagen geleden

      This. Get the NA engines back with new fuels to meet the push by governments on the sport.

  56. eyob mesfin

    eyob mesfin

    12 dagen geleden

    will the fans be happy tho with full electric engine. i don't think so.

    • Jim West

      Jim West

      12 dagen geleden

      In 50 years maybe.

    • Russell

      Russell

      12 dagen geleden

      @Martin Hodge no. if you want full electric watch formula e

    • Martin Hodge

      Martin Hodge

      12 dagen geleden

      Not today. But in the near future?

  57. Andrew C

    Andrew C

    12 dagen geleden

    They're just getting ahead of economic curve oposed to reacting to it as they had to last time.

  58. Martin Day

    Martin Day

    12 dagen geleden

    F1 has for long time been built on sand, Bernie Ecclestone did a good job making out it was a honour to be asked to be part of F1 and was skillful at getting governments around the world to subsidies the business for questionable return. F1's feudal system where first in took the spoils regardless of performance, where tracks paid for the privilege of staging races and where the sport was actually quite boring when people stopped to think about it, it is similar to the Kardashians with people looking in with envy, but the reality is that there is little substance. Ecclestone was smart to sell before it fell apart like tumbling dominoes. F1 is fast becoming irrelevant to car manufacturers who are having to move towards EVs, many of the sham circuits are being mothballed and the remaining engine manufactures are going to be questioning their returns. nonviable Hamilton is setting records that are unlikely to be matched, not because there couldn't be a better talent but because the sport is unlikely to exist in six years time.

  59. Rob Booth

    Rob Booth

    12 dagen geleden

    Need to Standardise hybrid systems and simplify the engine rules to allow other manufacturers to design and build engines at a reasonable cost. Hopefully the 2025 rules will help with this along with the cost caps it would be great to see a few extra teams on the grid and 3 or 4 new engines on the grid.

    • RD 12

      RD 12

      11 dagen geleden

      @Rob Booth I think they should just put a cost cap on the engines, regardless of what the formula is. Stops costs from skyrocketing, and if they have to find cheaper solutions surely their innovations would trickle down into cars quicker

    • Rob Booth

      Rob Booth

      11 dagen geleden

      @Karl Bassett thats what I meant by standardise the hybrid system. It would then allow more smaller engine manufacturers to build a more basic ICU that would pair up with a standardised hybrid system

    • Tom Bardsley

      Tom Bardsley

      11 dagen geleden

      Karl Bassett standardising doesn’t stop Moto gp teams from developing new tech and they’re doing just fine and it’s a more competitive competitive sport. F1 teams including the factory teams have finally realised that the sport is to expensive which is why they agreed to the cost caps. We can’t go back to petrol engines given where the car industry is going with those being banned by most of the world by 2040

    • Karl Bassett

      Karl Bassett

      11 dagen geleden

      Problem is the more you standardise the less useful it is in developing new tech for road cars, which is something manufacturers always boast about, and use to defend the huge budgets. Any time a F1 team or manufacturer comes up with an innovation it is banned. DAS? Banned. ABS? Banned. Traction control? Banned. Four wheel drive? Banned. The F1 rules lay down the exact engine size, the fuel type, a standard MGU to be used, the maximum fuel flow, maximum RPM, battery size etc etc. How is that going to help develop new road car technology when so many elements are either banned or narrowly specified? Go back to three litre naturally aspirated, which can be built by any number of small specialist motorsports manufacturers like Cosworth, Mugen, Mechachrome etc. and let the manufacturers walk away and bring back the days when people like Bernie Ecclestone, Frank Williams, Ron Dennis, Jackie Oliver, Ken Tyrell, Lord Heskith and dozens of others could start a team and race in F1.

    • Tom Bardsley

      Tom Bardsley

      12 dagen geleden

      Rob Booth the extra engines costs are why independent teams have struggled more since the rules changed on them in 2014. Caterham and Manor went bust, with Sauber , force India and Williams almost following the same way if not for new owners and investment

  60. daedralord1

    daedralord1

    12 dagen geleden

    Obviously. Formula 1 is no longer the top tier of motorsport F1 are exhibition races and the actual racing drivers want to race. Going to f1 stops you racing. So yeah teams will definitely be leaving

    • WOBBZ

      WOBBZ

      12 dagen geleden

      I would agree top tear for money laundering but racing it is not

    • Russell

      Russell

      12 dagen geleden

      @hey dodgems

    • hey

      hey

      12 dagen geleden

      What do you think the top tier of motorsport is?

  61. Dolphino Egglet

    Dolphino Egglet

    12 dagen geleden

    So... F1's lack of ambition to going completely off Fossil fuels is going to bite them in the butt. Come on F1. You have the personnel to make fully synthetic and alternative fuels. Do it and save your sport.

    • bsrlbck2013

      bsrlbck2013

      7 dagen geleden

      @RuyLopezQB6 That's the problem when people guess, most of the time the're wrong! Your guess, not mine. I'm just pointing out very simple basic facts about the sport and the engine used. The engine is a 4 stroke 1.6 V6 turbo charged internal combustion racing engine, built to extremely tight tolerances, there isnt anything special about it apart from the components used in its construction which are all billet machined. Stop the use of so many billet machined components and the price will drop, but that will increase the problems with reliabilty as a result. As I said, that is a huge cost, then add the MGUH and MGUK, which cost almost as much as the engine and you have the runaway costs of F1. The energy saving systems develeoped and currently used in F1 will never be transfered anywhere else, if it and they were, then other major motorsport series/categories would be using it and they arent. Some teams have something similar or did have, like the old style KERS that Williams were producing and supplying to teams, but nothing like the MGUH and MGUK units. Did I say E85 Ethanol would bring back manufacturers? No I didnt, I said the use of it would make them faster, did I not? I also point out a fact, which is a matter of public record, that Koenigsegg, all Koenigsegg vehicles, can run on E85 and as a direct result produce more power and are faster. E85 Ethanol is the way forward to make the sport more environmetally friendly and cost efficient. Formula E certainly isnt the way forward because of the issues around charging and how they do it. Nor is hydrogen, not now anyway because they cant make a fuel cell large or safe enough. If they could, than once again, motorsport and the road car industry would be using it by now. We all know that F1 is currently the most expensive sport and why, but they refuse to tackle it head on. The cost caps being introduced will make little difference, because that will only affect the chassis development, they'll still be using these engines. Why are Honda leaving, as you quite rightly state, the cost of the engine and the energy recovery systems attached to it. Thats the cost of total MotoGP supply and about a quarter of that to Indycar combined. As I've stated, the engine isnt anything special apart from the components used in construction. Whats happening in F1 currently especially the engines and energy recovery systems has absolutely no relevance to road car production anywhere in the world whatsoever apart from the fact it's a 4 stroke, V6 turbo charged internal combustion engine. No argument, just plain simple facts.

    • RuyLopezQB6

      RuyLopezQB6

      7 dagen geleden

      @bsrlbck2013 I guess you just want to argue with everyone in this thread. As I said; The problem is not what technology or fuel is used. The problem is that the PU have been too expensive to develop, with too little relevance for car manufacturers. E85 won't magically bring back manufacturers. The problem is the cost of the PU - and that is from development not parts. You need the staff, infrastructure and time. The solution is not about what technology or fuel is used. Anything can be a success with the right regulations.

    • bsrlbck2013

      bsrlbck2013

      7 dagen geleden

      @WOBBZ Once they've design a fuel cell large and safe enough for racing of course. That's what's holding back the use of it in road cars. E85 Ethanol is the fuel to use. Just look at the speeds and power the Koenigsegg produces when run on the stuff!

    • bsrlbck2013

      bsrlbck2013

      7 dagen geleden

      @RuyLopezQB6 The engine is a simple 4 stroke V6, 1.6 turbo charged internal combustion racing engine. The problem with it is the amount of billet parts used in it's construction, thats what drives the cost through the roof. Then the cost of the MGUH and MGUK. They can make them faster by using E85 Ethanol. Just look at how much more power the Koenigsegg produced when it used it!

    • bsrlbck2013

      bsrlbck2013

      7 dagen geleden

      @Gryph Lane They can do a full lap of monaco, search and watch any race on NLcameras. The biggest problem with Formula E is the charging of their batteries. Huge diesel generators pumping out emissions They have tried to solve a problem by going electric and what the save in one hand, they destroy in the other.

  62. Jonny Scott

    Jonny Scott

    12 dagen geleden

    Time the sport took a look at it's self and it can't shilly shally either

  63. Ewan Goldie

    Ewan Goldie

    12 dagen geleden

    I feel bad for max because he had a good chance to have a championship under Honda then they make the choice to leave

  64. George Gow

    George Gow

    12 dagen geleden

    Whoo